[Dshield] P.S. Re: Your father's internet

Mon Jul 23 21:44:13 GMT 2007

Hmm,

Tom, you have me beat for sure on those DDP 224 systems (never even 
heard of them).   An operator at the company I mentioned earlier 
probably might have.  He remembered the days of wire board 
programming and used to tell me about how they would have to 
construct the jobs they ran with card readers and sorters that 
interfaced with boards that were "wired" to do a specific set of 
instructions that had to be inserted into the system.  I think that 
the model for those was an IBM 7xx of some kind (if my own poor memory serves).

An S/360?  Wow, if memory serves, at least you did not have to worry 
about preemptive process interrupts on those babies... I don't think 
they had any. ;-)  I think I may have actually seen one of those at a 
magazine fulfillment house back in the mid 1970s.  Still, it was not 
as neat as the CRAY XMP(?) I got to see once - complete with "bench" 
surround seating.

1401?  Does anyone even know someone (alive) who still knows BAL?

To Rick - back at NYU, we had our Decwriters hardwired to an HP3000 
CX (complete with 32KB of real wired core memory - accept no 
substitutes) in the Physics department.

Boy oh boy, I'm starting to feel older today.

At 12:54 PM 7/23/2007, you wrote:
>Na.. Too young... ;-)  Closer if you remember the following....
>
>You remember DDP 224's? Those were the ground computers (24 bit) that
>ran launch the sequences to go to the moon.  Or a Raytheon computer
>(forgot the number) whose main memory was a drum? Or the IBM 7044/94,
>1401, 1620...
>
>As for comm, how about RJE via 1620s and 1401s using bisync over a
>specially conditioned (and expensive) 9.6kbps line to a S/360?
>
>Tom
>
>At 11:52 AM -0500 7/23/07, Rick Sewill wrote:
> >Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1;
> >       protocol="application/pgp-signature";
> >       boundary="=-Hr5Qz9w7XPENA/8IwDXx"
> >
> >
> >We were excited when we got a couple 300 baud Acoustic couplers and
> >Decwriters in College.  People had to sign up to use them.
> >
> >Otherwise we used 110 baud acoustic couplers, ttys, and paper tape?
> >
> >Does this mean I am part of your father's Internet?
> >
> >On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 08:35 -0600, WebMaster at commerco.net wrote:
> >>  This thread certainly brings back a lot of old memories...
> >>
> >>  My oldest memory of a 300 baud modem, was the one we used on the
> >>  HP3000 Series II in the MIS department of a food service company I
> >>  managed back in 1979-1981 which was installed for one of our
> >>  programmers, who needed to "telecommute" because of a condition 
> he battled.
> >>
> >>  I remember reading an article back then about this new "TCP" protocol
> >>  coming down the line to replace ARPA net.  In 1985, I remember going
> >>  to classes at my new employer (a major manufacturer of computing and
> >>  measurement products) to learn all about the basics and how to
> >>  implement those TCP/IP networks.
> >>
> >>  How time passes and technology advances.
> >>
> >>  At 06:22 AM 7/23/2007, you wrote:
> >>  > > -----Original Message-----
> >>  > > From: list-bounces at lists.dshield.org
> >>  > > [mailto:list-bounces at lists.dshield.org] On Behalf Of George Capehart
> >>  > > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:16 PM
> >>  > > To: General DShield Discussion List
> >>  > > Subject: Re: [Dshield] P.S. Re: Your father's internet
> >>  > >
> >>  > > Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
> >>  > > > On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:13:48 EDT, George Capehart said:
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > >> *grin*  Nooooooooo!  No one would send spam over uucp!!!  ;)
> >>  > > >
> >>  > > > "You're *WRONG*, tuna breath!" :)
> >>  > >
> >>  > > <snip the good old days>
> >>  > >
> >>  > > *wince* Doh!  My bad.  I misphrased my comment.  The image I
> >>  > > had in my head at the time I wrote it was a botherder trying
> >>  > > to blast the typical image-based spam messages over 1200 baud
> >>  > > modems . . .  :>  (Yes, I know it's possible to send uucp
> >>  > > traffic over other media.  Done it myself on an internal
> >>  > > network.  But my main association is with uucp over dialup,
> >>  > > and in the low-budget early days it was 300 baud or 1200 
> baud . . . ).
> >>  > >
> >>  > > But thanks for the URL to the wikipedia entry.  I'd forgotten
> >>  > > all about them!  Can't believe it . . .  ;(
> >>  >
> >>  >I can't believe you folks remember all that you did!  I remember a
> >>  >300baud modem on a Morrow MD/2 I had way back when and that's about it.
> >>
> >>
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