[Dshield] Hard to Read this List Sometimes

Mark Rowlands mark.rowlands at minmail.net
Fri Jul 26 11:49:26 GMT 2002


On Fri July 26 2002 00:03, James C. Slora, Jr. wrote:
> It is very often difficult to read posts in this list because of all the
> extra junk that shows up when people using Outlook compose their mail in
> Word or in HTML.
>
>   2. There are a huge variety of people on this list, and they do not all
>   use mail clients that render HTML.

Whilst I agree that ALL mail should be text,  the assumption that we have a 
significant number of mail clients that cannot render HTML is  faulty.

Of the top 10 mailers to this list (comprising 64% of the mails currently in 
my dshield inbox).... which I know is not entirely representative, (see 
Appendix B) only Sylpheed, to the best of my knowledge absolutely declines to 
support html (and you can patch it if you happen to be so perversely 
inclined).

If we dig a little more 

> From: Johannes Ullrich <jullrich at sans.org>
> To: list at dshield.org
> Message-Id: <20020724095115.7b8bf176.jullrich at sans.org>
> Organization: Euclidian Consulting
> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; )

I think we see why Sylpheed is over represented and can be regarded as a 
statistical anomaly ;-)

Here's my approach, you have the freedom to send me mail in whatever format 
you like, I have the freedom not to read it.

Appendix B
 134 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000
 128 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
  55 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)
  51 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; )
  47 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700
  36 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1
  36 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416
  30 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 
  29 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0)
  28 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 
  28 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2655.55)
  20 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal
  19 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.4]......  Thats Me mostly........
  18 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01)
  14 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 
  13 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U)
  11 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2
  10 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0)
   9 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.4.99 
   9 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404)
   8 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu)
   8 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.5
   8 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 10501
   7 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.7 
   7 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53d) Personal
   7 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627
   6 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release)
   6 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (WinNT; U)
   6 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616
   6 X-Mailer: CompuServe 7.0 for Windows US sub 124
   5 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5.99 
   5 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.4 
   5 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89)
   4 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10  March 22, 2002
   4 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21)
   4 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk 
   4 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 
   4 X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10512
   3 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail)
   3 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.4.1
   3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 (Macintosh; U; PPC)
   3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; I)
   3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win98; U)
   3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700
   3 X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.8
   3 X-Mailer: KYX-CP/M FNORD-5602
   2 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.6.99 
   2 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
   2 X-Mailer: TWIG 2.6.2
   2 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail
   2 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [es] (Win98; U)
   2 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200
   2 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2]
   2 X-Mailer: GoldMine [5.50.10111]
   2 X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564
   2 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 
   1 x-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; )
   1 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3.99 
   1 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) 
   1 X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19)
   1 X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.08
   1 X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws74 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu)
   1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1
   1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32)
   1 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.1
   1 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 5.5.5.1
   1 X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.2 (Win32)
   1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony}  (Windows NT 5.0; U)
   1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18-5 i686)
   1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)
   1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31 i686)
   1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.17 i686)
   1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-CCK-MCD   (Win95; U)
   1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U)
   1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0
   1 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 7.00.0021.1900
   1 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7  March 21, 2001
   1 X-Mailer: KYX CP/M FNORD 5602
   1 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28]
   1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482)

Cheers Mark
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