[Dshield] Hard to Read this List Sometimes

Peter Stendahl-Juvonen peter.stendahl-juvonen at welho.com
Fri Jul 26 13:28:37 GMT 2002

Bob, James, et al.

1) I do not see the phenomenon either, unless I go to DShield Archives.
There this "problem" can be encountered if you also look at the last
part of the postings sent.
(And only very briefly in the beginning of posts, two three short lines
only. Analogical to the PGP stuff that we can rest our eyes upon.) Is
this widely experienced as a [real] problem?

2) I have not experienced any problem in the HTML vs. plain text aspect.

3) In my opinion plain text vs. HTML is more of a security related
issue. (At least if you receive mail from un-trusted third parties.) I
do not consider this a problem either since protecting oneself against
attacks via HTML in email can comprehensively be dealt with.

4) Why are the options [at http://www.dshield.org/mailman/subscribe/list

Get MIME or Plain Text Digests? 
If you have any problems with MIME digests, select plain text. 
 MIME  Plain Text

provided or enabled if not to be used? Have new, (at the time of the
building the system) not foreseen aspects arisen?

5) The closer the "text" is to hexadecimal or binary the closer it is to
the machine and the farther away from the human. By this I do not,
however mean that I expect animated or postings flavoured with audio
messages from fellow members of Dshield General Discussion list. If HTML
provides means for the author to better serve the fellow reader(s) then
it's richness in giving us options.

Best Wishes,

-----Original Message-----
From: list-admin at dshield.org [mailto:list-admin at dshield.org] On Behalf
Of Bob Savage
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 2:41 PM
To: list at dshield.org
Subject: RE: [Dshield] Hard to Read this List Sometimes

Good suggestion, James, for more reasons than one.  I do think there's
something new I can learn here:

I use Outlook and have it set for text only.  However, I don't see the
phenomenon on other posts that James talks about below.  Why is he
seeing it and I'm not?



-----Original Message-----
From: James C. Slora, Jr. [mailto:Jim.Slora at phra.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:03 PM
To: list at dshield.org
Subject: [Dshield] Hard to Read this List Sometimes

It is very often difficult to read posts in this list because of all the
extra junk that shows up when people using Outlook compose their mail in
Word or in HTML.

I'm not the list manager and I do not represent any authority, but I'd
to suggest that posts should be sent in Plain Text whenever possible -
make the list more readable.

MS Word and HTML formats both cause the entire content of a message to
appear twice - once in plain text, and once with all of the extra
required to render HTML. Word also adds a bunch of XML that further
its messages.

It might seem un-stylish for this list to not render the HTML instead of
displaying the ugliness of the underlying code, but there are some good
reasons this type of list should use Plain Text:

   1. We sometimes need to share specifics of exploit code including
and HTML exploits, and we want our code to be displayed verbatim instead
being interpreted. This is why it would not be appropriate for the list
manager to automatically remove the duplicate information and HTML code.

   2. There are a huge variety of people on this list, and they do not
use mail clients that render HTML.

We could ask the list moderators to manually edit out redundant
but we are lucky they are able to devote time to maintaining this list
filtering the Spam out) as it is.

My two bits (little-endian).

Those who know how to set up Outlook (or those who just disagree with
read no further. I don't want to patronize anyone. For those who would
some help, my recommendations are below.

How to Set Outlook to Compose Messages Appropriately for a Mailing List

>From the Outlook Inbox window:

- Tools > Options
- "Mail Format" tab
Uncheck "Use Microsoft Word to edit e-mail messages"
and set "Send in this message format" to "Plain Text"

If you need or want to use Word for most of your email, you can use the
above procedure each time you are composing a message to the list - and
change it back when you are finished.

If you like to use HTML email for the majority of your messages, that's
OK -
you can leave your "Send in this message format" setting at "HTML". When
are composing a message to this list, you can set just the one message
Plain Text from the composition window:

- Format > Plain Text

I wouldn't worry about lose the SPeling and graMar cheking in Word - we
friendly folks on the list will forgive the occasional typ0 ;-)

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