[Dshield] Kornet.Net

Brian Burrington Brian.Burrington at LABONE.com
Thu Mar 7 16:10:49 GMT 2002

Well, it looks like a lot of people are jumping in on this one, and shucks,
I'd hate to be left out...

Dave, from a pragmatic/project management point of view, I agree with you.

However, I believe that the issue this thread was discussing is not the
securing of Korn.net and other overseas ISP networks, but instead, the
successful enlistment of the sys admin and support personel (at those
networks) to fix the problems.

I would hazard a guess that the SAs are more than competent to take care of
their networks, once they choose to.

So, what I'm saying is this: the discussion has been more along the lines of
inter-personal / cultural problem sovling and not actual network

I used to share a cube with an engineer whose daughter had a specific middle
school teacher who was causing a great many problems.  He had dealt with
this teacher on many occasions over several months, and his feelings for her
were rather strongly negative.  However, whenever he spoke with her on the
telephone to resolve the latest snafu, he was amazingly polite and
considerate, more so than I had ever seen him before or since.  One day
after he had hung up the phone, I asked him why he was so polite to the
teacher.  I'll never forget his reply, as it's been a useful lesson to me
ever since.  He said, "She is my daughter's teacher and I need her to do her
job."  His point was along the lines of the "catch more flies with sugar
than vinegar" cliche.

Anyway, I'm sure y'all are tired of this so I'll quit now.



-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Young [mailto:dave at boldfish.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:21 PM
To: list at dshield.org
Subject: Re: [Dshield] Kornet.Net

just an additional analogy after my previous poor post.

lets look at the net as a combined effort to build an international 
space station, it's basically what is happening and has been for years 
now. So let's just say for instance that the Koreans are tasked with 
designing and building all the o-rings needed for this station and each 
country involved is tasked with something else (just like the real 
international station). Unfortunately the o-rings are of poor quality 
and are failing under high degrees of pressure (and just not to single 
out Korea, please insert any country you like into building the rings). 
With this, we have an obvious problem. Justifiably, the Koreans need to 
fix these o-rings for the project to be successful.

here's the point I'd like to make: how Korea goes about fixing the 
o-rings is *irrelevant*, they simply need to be fixed. If there is 
cultural issues, technical issues, money issues, whatever, it doesn't 
matter, they *just* need to fix the o-rings or not participate in the 
space station, it is that simple. In fact, if that really happened, I 
have a feeling that's how the community would react...  just fix it, we 
don't care how you go about it.

so as far as I'm concerned, this hacking\spam thing isn't a cultural 
issue at all. They are a part of the community and if they wish to 
participate, they need to fulfill their part of the bargain or they just 
don't participate. I don't think that should be changed for any country 
no matter what their task, you come to task or you're out.

anyhoo, I'm not trying to argue with any of you, there are far more 
intelligent people on this list than I, but I really feel this issue at 
a high level is this simple. It's up to the Koreans to fix it. We 
certainly can and should help, but it's still their ultimate 
responsibility to fix the problem.

$.04  ;)


On Wed, 
6 Mar 2002, achankey wrote:

> John Hardin wrote:
> > On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 01:54, Colin Simons wrote:
> > >
> > > Please don't overlook the difference of culture that is also present
> > >
> >
> > Is there anyone (else?) with extensive experience in Asian cultures that
> > can make a recommendation for how to present the complaint and recommend
> > action in a polite yet effective manner?
> not me, somthing along the lines of:
> (Admin to superior)
> One of our users is causing our Organization to lose face in the global
> Our legitimate users may lose access to vast portions of the global market
if we allow this action to
> perpetuate.
> just a thought.
> a

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