[RE: [Dshield] mail1.giac.net spamcop listed]
doug at clickdoug.com
Fri Dec 12 21:05:14 GMT 2003
The munging of the complainer's email address is one of the 'features" of
spamcop that has been in demand almost from day one. The anti-spam community is
not interested in pandering to "list washers" and are more directed to
eliminating the source of spam entirely. It is a commonly held opinion that it
is the mail list administrator's responsibility to properly manage their own
The history of this feeling is due to acts of retaliation against the complainer
from the less scrupulous mailers.
While most commercial email (or bulk email as the case may be) contains wording
to the effect that there is an opt-out function, the vast majority of them are
bogus, and subject the recipient to even more spam, when it is a mail list they
did not opt-in in the first place. The result is that most advice is to never
respond to unsolicited email.
In the case instant, the dweeb that reported a confirmation email as spam, was
the one that was in error, and this is against the reporting rules of spamcop.
The end result is that the particular person will have his account with spamcop
cancelled, and he will be banned from the service. Additionally spamcop will
quickly de-list mailers who are being wrongfully reported on, that is once the
problem is brought to their attention, and just as quickly act against the
member who makes frivolous reports. These rules were promulgated to attack
spam, and not targeted against legitimate mailers.
For interested very large mailers, spamcop even will grant a special link and
special handling for notifications in the even they are reported erroneously,
and will act quickly when reports are made in error. Direct contact may be made
by sending email to deputies at admin.spamcop.net
The actual flaw with spamcop is that it is run by its users, and users as we all
know are fallible.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Stevko" <andy.stevko at usa.net>
To: "General DShield Discussion List" <list at dshield.org>; "General DShield
Discussion List" <list at dshield.org>
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [RE: [Dshield] mail1.giac.net spamcop listed]
| Spamcop's business practices have one flaw that really taints their service.
| When someone reports a spam incident, spamcop forwards the email to the
| standard abuse or postmaster mailboxes. BUT they completely stripped all
| significant headers out of the email such that it is impossible to unsubscribe
| the person who compained. They won't even share that information when asked
| for it.
| This behavior keeps spamcop's bl fat of folks who really want to be
| responsible emailers.
| "Matthew Harrell" <mhar at plex.com> wrote:
| > Ah, but that is inherent in the nature of spamcop. We are fairly regularly
| > listed in spamcop's database because people forget that they filled out a
| > rebate offer for a major retailer. One of our customers handles rebate
| > offers, and when they send e-mail regarding the rebate offer, it frequently
| > gets sent to spamcop as spam. It's an ongoing headache that I'm quite
| > tired of dealing with.
| > -----------------
| > Matt Harrell
| > Plexus Systems
| > mhar at plex.com
| > ----- On 12/11/2003 9:58 PM, Hanke Penning <hanke.penning at iap.de> wrote:
| > >Hello out there!
| > >
| > > > Even though spamcop clearly states (www.spamcop.net/bl) that the
| > > > list should not be used for production servers, people do.
| > >
| > > Yes, for example, I do. Spamcop ist one of the best services. The
| > > problem in this case is *not* spamcop, but the dshield user who reported
| > > his dshield-confirmations as spam.
| > >
| > >
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