[Dshield] mail1.giac.net spamcop listed]

Rick Klinge rick at jaray.net
Wed Dec 17 14:54:05 GMT 2003

Ah it's all nuts.  Laws won't help.  I posted weeks earlier.. the only way
to slow it down SOME, in the US anyway, is to have a world wide control
center that proactively monitors and levies monitory fines against US based
Major ISP's. Fines in the hundreds of thousands of dollars monthly, that way
the ISP's could not defray the cost to the end user.  ISP's lackadaisical
approach to spam, shadows the belief that they turn a blind eye to spam
organizations just for their money.  The money obtained from fines could
then be sent to us little ISP's to help cover our cost of wasted bandwidth
and virus prevention.  For the overseas violations simply disconnect them
from accessing the US entirely.  The majority of US based companies do not
conduct business overseas anyway and those that do can suffer the loss,
complain to the world, and go on with life.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at dshield.org [mailto:list-bounces at dshield.org]On
> Behalf Of Kenneth Coney
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:20 AM
> To: list at dshield.org
> Subject: Re: [Dshield] mail1.giac.net spamcop listed]
> The first solution is rewrite the law.  Take away the exemption.  About
> spamming not being a crime, that depends on where you live.  If
> you are in
> a jurisdiction where it isn't a crime, have them change the law.
> Intentional spamming is close enough to telephone harassment, and or,
> misuse of cable services, or misuse of computer time that a case can be
> built in some cases, even if the law is 30 years behind the technology.
> The problem is the many providers who don't enforce (or in some
> cases even
> have) policies.  No one should log on and have to deal with 120+ emails
> every morning on each email account.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Brenton" <cbrenton at chrisbrenton.org>
> To: "General DShield Discussion List" <list at dshield.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [Dshield] mail1.giac.net spamcop listed]
> | On Tue, 2003-12-16 at 12:31, Kenneth Coney wrote:
> | > Total agreement (rant).  We need to put more of the
> responsibility on the
> | > IPs.  No doubt this attitude is unpopular with the IPs.
> |
> Not a viable idea.  All the anti-spam laws, State and Federal specifically
> exempt the providers from responsibility.
> Secondly, spamming via a provider is not a crime, it is a civil wrong
> (violation
> of AUP, etc) and anyone who is a party to a contract is legally
> able to fail to
> enforce its provisions.
> That said, I credit many providers for strictly enforcing their
> own anti-spam
> policies (I fall into this category)
> and rant about the ones that don't.
> As a participant in the net, I consider it responsible to avoid
> abusing other
> systems, but also realize I could well be in the minority with
> this line of
> thinking.  By blacklisting those who don't act responsible, I am
> sending the
> message that they must earn my respect, not demand it.

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