[Dshield] RBL deaths OT?

Kenneth Coney superc at visuallink.com
Fri Sep 26 17:12:47 GMT 2003

I agree with everything you say, except I am not worried about Carnivore. 
Media reports of Carnivore was merely an iceberg sighting and (like most) 
that iceberg has been around a long time and is a lot bigger than what you 
see (i.e., Carnivore).  FYI, people with non issued encryption and 
decryption software are already of interest to some.  Encrypted front pages 
on web sites (saw one the other day) are also probably just as fascinating 
as a rustling paper bag is to a cat.  :)

Subject: Re: [Dshield] RBL deaths OT?
From: warpmedia <warpmedia at comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 05:56:08 -0400
To: General DShield Discussion List <list at dshield.org>

Hey! Hands off my privacy! For sure once they come in for that, it will 
grow to include more. This is the nature of government..

I have enough problems worrying about carnivore and the like, akin to a 
line tap on all the world ala "Enemy of the state"  but much easier to 
implement because it's all digital. Next people who encrypt become instant 
subjects of interest, on and on. With only judge du jour, or worse a 
patriot act, deciding who to track based on a "perceived" danger that may 
or may not exist.

No, what we need are STANDARDS imposed on what to filter & when, 
dynamically without compromising personal freedom & privacy. Then make 
providers liable for following them. Make software vendors liable for holes 
& force them to fix them, properly and for free. After not too long, it 
will be the norm to write code that is not exploitable or least to be 
proactive in finding & fixing them before they cause impact.

Of course none of the law makers are young, wise, or care enough to 
understand and do the right thing. Even some of those among us here proven 
that while they understand the problem, they are more in favour of 
crippling the system rather than fixing it.

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