[Dshield] Where should you start - I'll wrap it myself

Joseph Stahley 3rd jestahley3 at cox.net
Wed Apr 7 23:44:49 GMT 2004

Actually If you Use Outlook 2003 just go to junk mail email options, set
safe lists only, allow email to go to junk mail folder, mark wanted mail as
not junk this will add to your safe senders lists and then messages from
senders on that list will be in the inbox next time. I find it more accurate
then using third party spam programs.


-----Original Message-----
From: list-bounces at lists.dshield.org [mailto:list-bounces at lists.dshield.org]
On Behalf Of Miles Stevenson
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 2:21 PM
To: list at dshield.org
Subject: Re: [Dshield] Where should you start - I'll wrap it myself


> If you are an Outlook/Outlook Express user, there is software available
> (free) which will auto-report spam for you to spamcop.   You just set it
> monitor the folder in which your message rules tag as spam and deposit the
> incoming mail. Reporting helps maintain the block lists and multiple
> reports end the usefullness of a compromised machine is very short order.

I'm curious to know what software you are describing, as I highly recommend 
AGAINST using such software. 

Unfortunately, blacklists such as SpamCop have poor or sometimes
checks for false positives when spam reports are submitted. The outcome is 
that anyone can blindly report domains and/or mail systems as "spammers" to 
SpamCop; they are automatically blacklisted and notified that they have been

tagged as spammers. This can be quite a pain for legitimate mail domains to 
get blacklisted without just cause. Automated methods to "deduce" the 
legitimacy of email is nowhere near as accurate as it needs to be for such 
systems to work correctly. 

End users often mis-interpret legitimate email as spam. To think that 
thousands of end users are running an automated blacklist software plugged 
into Outlook makes my insides churn. 

I hope that any mail administrator would reconsider the use of SpamCop or 
similar blacklists that don't check for false-positives, as well as Outlook 
clients that send such reports automatically. The risk of DoS attacks on
kind of implementation are too great for this to be viable.

Miles Stevenson
miles at mstevenson.org
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