[Dshield] ISP Responsibity...

Robert Nelson nelsrob at mts.net
Sun Aug 21 19:14:19 GMT 2005

There is stupidity, and ignorance, but also a degree of fear in some users.
I know of more than a few people who are intimidated by computers, or are
scared they will mess something up... So they do as little as possible with
them. Email, surf, and little else. Too scared to learn how to properly use
the machine...

Rather like the stereotypical old lady behind the wheel of that big old
Chevy, putting along at half the speed limit, steering wheel clenched


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"Abuse" <abuse at what4now.com> replied:

>I am not sure stupidity is the problem, it is ignorance.  MS advertises 
>that you do not need to know anything to use Windows so you get a lot 
>of people online that do not have any idea that anything bad could 
>happen.  I put most of the blame on MS, they should configure Windows 
>so it is secure for the average no nothing user, but they will not so 
>we have to put up with a lot of zombied machines.
I couldn't agree more. Microsoft should but has not locked down its OS. 
They have made it very difficult for users to NOT be 'administrator' 
(like root). If a user tries to be a non-privileged user it becomes 
almost impossible to do any work, and it requires a lot of extra 
knowledge -- the very thing Microsoft claims users don't need. I know of 
a lot of businesses that don't let users have administrator privileges, 
but they have an trained staff to do installs and maintenance.

The average end user at home does not have a "system administrator" to 
go to when something goes terribly wrong (in fact I always get really 
mad when MS Help says "Contact your system administrator for more 
assistance"). At this point computers and operating systems are not 
toasters or cars or refrigerators that just work and Microsoft should 
not be telling people that they are.

In contrast, every Linux installation that I have made has numerous 
warning about not being 'root' or using 'root' for any prolonged time. 
Almost all Linux distributions  are much more locked down out of the box 
than Windows. It would not be that difficult for Microsoft to secure it 
OS, they just don't want to take the effort.

Microsoft is kind of caught in a 'catch 22'. Their system was created 
for a LAN and they provided all these peachy-keen productivity and 
sharing tools. Then the Internet happened and they didn't pay any 
attention and just keep on making it easy to share and inter operate 
with things like ActiveX, COM, DCOM, and ".NET". Then the sky started to 
fall. No one wants Microsoft to take away all the cool features, but 
everyone wants them to make their OS safe. That is going to be a real trick.

Barton L. Phillips
Applied Technology Resources, Inc.
Tel: (818)652-9850
Web: http://www.applitec.com

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