[Dshield] Correction

Cefiar cef at optus.net
Thu Aug 25 02:07:04 GMT 2005

On Thursday 25 August 2005 11:16, Mike Wydra wrote:
> Mike Wydra (Yup, that's me) wrote:
> >We just had a discussion about "on-line courtesy," yet you chose to
> >post my e-mail addy in the clear.
> I made a mistake. "Justin S." DOES post almost everyone's e-mail addy in
> the clear. In the ONE example that I had looked at - he didn't (that was a
> quote he took from Cefiar). I should have looked at more examples before I
> jumped the gun.

 1. He posted that message with a number of replies in it. I'm assuming he 
therefore replied and wiped all content (auto-comment stuff) clean, and then 
cut-pasted in his own content.
 2. The behaviour you describe is actually becoming a more common part of many 
email clients. It can be very useful when you get a number of people on list 
that have the same name (eg: John Smith, John Smith and John Smith for 
example - which one wrote the original post you're commenting on? - the only 
unique identifier is their email address).

If you're that worried about it:
 a. Petition the writers of the email clients in question to remove this 
behaviour by default.
 b. Email every user that does it off-list and ask them to amend their 
auto-reply settings (most clients with this functionality allow you to change 
it's behaviour) to remove the email address (it's usually a macro) from the 
default Reply phrases.

BTW: If you're worried about spam-collection bots on the web getting to the 
online archives and collecting your address, then perhaps you should really 
be talking to the list admin (Johannes) about implementing anti-spam stuff in 
the online archives/forums on the content, and not just the headers. The only 
issue with this is then email messages with anything that looks like an email 
address will be munged. This could include snort rules, advisory info, etc, 
rendering the info available via the web useless. This sort of defeats the 
purpose of the list, and so I do not expect Johannes to do much about it. Of 
course, that said, you could reduce the munging to the first text line of the 
email, which is the usual offender. Meh, I could go back and forth for hours 
on this subject, but lets stop here before I get booted from the list for not 
being on-subject. *grin*

Unfortunately, we live in an imperfect world, and while the tools available 
help, there isn't always a pretty solution.

PS: I'm actually a list administrator for about 12 or so email lists, running 
on at least 2 different types of email list software, and have experience 
with a few more pieces of list software besides. I'm also old-school enough 
to have been around for most of the BBS era, even running my own BBS for 8 
yrs, which I must admit can be very similar to running a mailing list, except 
the users were no where near as behaved as most people on email lists. It's 
never easy to get the balance between the users correct, and sometimes you 
just have to say "This is the way it's going to be" and live with the 
consequences. I understand all the troubles that Johannes has to deal with as 
a list admin, and he has my utmost thanks for his persistance in providing 
this list.

 Stuart Young - aka Cefiar - cef at optus.net

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