[Dshield] Correction

Joel Esler eslerj at gmail.com
Thu Aug 25 10:48:43 GMT 2005

If you are easily bothered by spam, Email me back, I'll invite you to  
Gmail, and you can pop it down from there.  They have the best SPAM  
controls I've ever seen.  I get about 200-300 spams a day.


On Aug 24, 2005, at 10:29 PM, stu wrote:

> What's the problem with email addresses being posted?
> If you don't want it to end up on a spam list get another account for
> mailing lists and keep your personal one private?
> I've posted to here and bugtraq and don't really receive any abnormal
> spam amounts, infact I get quite little (one possibly two Nigerian  
> scam
> a week?).
> I started with this account (secmail) for exactly that purpose
> securitymail, but has now ended up being my main email account,  
> will get
> around to moving it to my proper domain sometime!
> Would love to see you get mad when companies sell off your snail mail
> address :D
> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at lists.dshield.org
> [mailto:list-bounces at lists.dshield.org] On Behalf Of Cefiar
> Sent: 25 August 2005 03:07
> To: list at lists.dshield.org
> Subject: Re: [Dshield] Correction
> On Thursday 25 August 2005 11:16, Mike Wydra wrote:
>> Mike Wydra (Yup, that's me) wrote:
>>> We just had a discussion about "on-line courtesy," yet you chose to
>>> post my e-mail addy in the clear.
>> I made a mistake. "Justin S." DOES post almost everyone's e-mail addy
> in
>> the clear. In the ONE example that I had looked at - he didn't (that
> was a
>> quote he took from Cefiar). I should have looked at more examples
> before I
>> jumped the gun.
>  1. He posted that message with a number of replies in it. I'm  
> assuming
> he
> therefore replied and wiped all content (auto-comment stuff) clean,  
> and
> then
> cut-pasted in his own content.
>  2. The behaviour you describe is actually becoming a more common part
> of many
> email clients. It can be very useful when you get a number of  
> people on
> list
> that have the same name (eg: John Smith, John Smith and John Smith for
> example - which one wrote the original post you're commenting on? -  
> the
> only
> unique identifier is their email address).
> If you're that worried about it:
>  a. Petition the writers of the email clients in question to remove  
> this
> behaviour by default.
>  b. Email every user that does it off-list and ask them to amend their
> auto-reply settings (most clients with this functionality allow you to
> change
> it's behaviour) to remove the email address (it's usually a macro)  
> from
> the
> default Reply phrases.
> BTW: If you're worried about spam-collection bots on the web  
> getting to
> the
> online archives and collecting your address, then perhaps you should
> really
> be talking to the list admin (Johannes) about implementing anti-spam
> stuff in
> the online archives/forums on the content, and not just the  
> headers. The
> only
> issue with this is then email messages with anything that looks  
> like an
> email
> address will be munged. This could include snort rules, advisory info,
> etc,
> rendering the info available via the web useless. This sort of defeats
> the
> purpose of the list, and so I do not expect Johannes to do much about
> it. Of
> course, that said, you could reduce the munging to the first text line
> of the
> email, which is the usual offender. Meh, I could go back and forth for
> hours
> on this subject, but lets stop here before I get booted from the list
> for not
> being on-subject. *grin*
> Unfortunately, we live in an imperfect world, and while the tools
> available
> help, there isn't always a pretty solution.
> PS: I'm actually a list administrator for about 12 or so email lists,
> running
> on at least 2 different types of email list software, and have
> experience
> with a few more pieces of list software besides. I'm also old-school
> enough
> to have been around for most of the BBS era, even running my own  
> BBS for
> 8
> yrs, which I must admit can be very similar to running a mailing list,
> except
> the users were no where near as behaved as most people on email lists.
> It's
> never easy to get the balance between the users correct, and sometimes
> you
> just have to say "This is the way it's going to be" and live with the
> consequences. I understand all the troubles that Johannes has to deal
> with as
> a list admin, and he has my utmost thanks for his persistance in
> providing
> this list.
> -- 
>  Stuart Young - aka Cefiar - cef at optus.net
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