[Dshield] Is DShield Dead?
kjohnson at secureideas.net
Tue Jun 21 01:01:44 GMT 2005
I have tried to respond inline....
On Sun, 2005-06-19 at 22:25, Al Reust wrote:
> Scrap as I drag out the Soap Box, as security no longer seems to be
> happening here.
I think it is up to all of us to "make security happen". If we all
consider the list dead, it will be. Luckily, I dont think we all
consider it so.
> My day consists of ....
As does all of ours I believe.<g>
> As I sit here and look at what has transpired in the DShield list in the
> 20/30 days I see very little. Ever since it was unofficially announced that
> DShield went "commercial."
Could you please explain where this was announced, as I was not on
vacation and have not seen or heard such a thing?
> There has been very little other than complaints
> that logging which still does not work (over two months now).
I would also like the complaints to end, but realize that no matter how
well a system might work, someone can always be counted on to complain.
(Even if it is a valid complaint<g>)
> We have the
> Handlers Diary that provides more information about what is happening than
> what shows up in the list.
I would expect the diary to have more information, as long as we don't
discuss it here... If you read something and want this list to liven up,
> "Names" I used to see talking here are now
> talking in other lists.
I would hope that everyone posts to multiple lists.. I try too...
> Why did DShield decide to not tell "us" that they went commercial, was this
> an oversight? At this point I feel that most felt that the efforts of many
> individuals (who helped them gain status) have been insulted.
If DShield has gone commercial, and I wouldn't mind if it did, I can't
see that as an insult to people who have only submitted logs.
> Has the Community lost confidence in DShield?
I haven't! As a matter of fact, I am looking to add more DShield
support in the BASE project as we move towards a 2.x code release.
> Has going "commercial" caused to DShield to lose the trust of those that
> felt it was a very worthwhile area to converse?
> Have the "new" duties of Johannes; caused things that used to happen, here
> not happen?
This probably has happened. I would like everyone to remember that, as
far as I know, Johannes has a day job.
<rant mode>People seem to forget that projects are run by people who are
mostly unpaid volunteers! And if someone is compensated by a company
like SANS, it is usually for other work that may include the
> Does Dshield plan to correct all this and invite those professionals back?
I didn't realize that professionals had left.
> Are the Handlers that once used to be "volunteers" being compensated for
> their efforts?
And if they are, so? I don't understand your aversion to people making
a living? I would understand it if you had coded most of DShield and
then been left out. But even if you don't get a daily report, the
information I have been able to use in just presenting to my bosses have
made what little contribution I have done worthwhile.
> I fully expect Deb to answer as she seems to be Johannes voice over the
> last couple of months. Thank You Deb!
I also would like to thank Deb for helping out and letting us know what
> Thank You Kevin for the Base Update.
> This has really been bothering me, what I thought once was very worthwhile
> (for a couple of years) is now becoming a waste of my bandwidth/drive space.
I don't agree, but it is up to you to resolve that.
> I welcome comments pro/con...This could be the most important discussion in
> months... Mostly I/We hope to hear from DShield!
> Either we go back to posting what is Important and let DShield benefit and
> make it worthwhile again, or let it die. I guess that it is up to DShield
> what they feel is important.
Actually I think it is up to us.
> Scrap and the soap box moves out of the way...
I hope that this has not come across rudely. I think that you
contribute a lot to this list, I just think that everyone needs to
realize that for the community to exist, the community needs to be
there. With or without daily reports.<g>
BASE Project Lead
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