[Dshield] Possible solution for ISP (was DShield's public goals)
vancel at winfreeacademy.com
Tue Jan 17 22:57:07 GMT 2006
ed.truitt at etee2k.net wrote:
>I don't know (if others have submitted it before), but one of the ways to look
>at this type of idea is to try to poke holes in it -- and, if the holes can be
>sufficiently closed, then the idea is a better one then when it first entered
>I don't think anyone here has resorted to taking personal pot-shots at you (or
>others who appear to be defenders/proponents of this idea), they are instead
>engaged in debate, based on the merits of the idea you proposed.
The reason I asked that question was because of that web page (
anti-spam/you-might-be.html ). The page deals with people proposing a
"new" idea when the idea has already been out there for years, so I was
asking him if this idea had already been suggested. The page is
satyrical, but it pokes fun at people that have come up with a way to
save the world from spam, suggest ideas, but don't think about or care
about what it would take to get them set up or implemented.
I had thought of ways to do all of it, but I didn't cultivate a full
blown plan of attack, because I wanted to share the idea and get people
to come up with good ideas. Ideas that wouldn't hurt all users because
a LOT of them are clueless about computer security. I learned many
years ago that not everyone can come up with a good idea. Some people
are so focused on what they're doing that they forget to step back and
see if it needs to be done a different way. I've lost count of how many
times I've suggested a way that the major players hadn't considered...
sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but it at least gets their
creativity go come back "outside the box" to overuse a phrase.
The discussion is good, and sometimes I feel like it's my fault for not
being able to properly convey my idea, and then there are times that one
of the hole poking attempts makes me think of something else.. maybe
where the hole was poked, or maybe something related. I know that one
individual isn't really capable of thinking of all aspects of something
like this, so I didn't try. I built a framework. I try not to see them
as personal attacks, but sometimes it's hard when someone is telling me
that I don't have a clue instead of saying that the idea needs work in
areas x and z. Each email that I've written on this thread has taken a
lot of time, because I think about my responses... I think about the
context... I think about wether or not I sound upset or angry...
sometimes I do it right, sometimes I don't. But, discussions are good. :)
I read Johannes thread about "my perfect ISP" and it sounds like he did
take the idea and run with it... or he had already been thinking
something similar, but didn't want to post it until someone else posted
something similar. Who knows... I don't. But the ball is rolling now,
and that's a good thing.
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