[Dshield] Fortinet [Fortigate 5050]

rgolodner at infratection.com rgolodner at infratection.com
Sat Feb 10 04:08:06 GMT 2007

 Both of you guys have made some good points and what it really comes down t o s what a company can spend. If it was my network I would want specific devices to provide specific services. I have never cared for that dvd/tv combo stuff. Everybody be cool. Richard Golodner

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>From: Moses [mailto:moses at networksamurai.org]
>Sent: Friday, February 9, 2007 11:16 AM
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>Subject: Re: [Dshield] Fortinet [Fortigate 5050]
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>This is rather interesting to note. I find your comments 100%
>accurate. But I'd like to offer the group a bigger question. Now that
>the 'Stateful packet inspection' technology has progressed and many
>companies are doing it VERY well, would companies be more interesting
>in deploying a product from a Firewall vendor that has an integrated
>IPS/IDS or would you be more interested deploying a product from a
>best of breed IPS/IDS vendor that has added firewall capabilities.
>Case in point, I still see larger companies going with a layered
>approach but wishing they could go with a more 'Unified' approach.
>When you peel back the layers its more of the time because most do
>not think that the Firewall manufacturers have a good IPS/IDS product
>integrated that they feel still needed a stronger device in line. If
>you consider or leave VPN as a 'router' only or SSL 'only' product
>maybe we will see the market start changing a bit more.
>Moses Hernandez
>Dregier, Leo A. (CMS/CTR) wrote:
>> Bass,
>> I've used a Fortigate 5050. I feel they are average in comparison.
>Jamy is correct. While you can get all in one appliances or Unified
>Thread Management as some refer to, remember that a layered solution
>should have multiple layers. One could use McAfee on the desktop and a
>border gateway at the edge from another vendor for example.
>> Also, you have to consider how the appliance works for your company,
>what is your companies needs? For smaller companies that want to save
>money, generally UTM will work, but for larger companies the only way to
>get real accounting is to have multiple solutions.
>> Get a loaner, run it on your network. If it gives you the results,
>accounting and audit capabilities you need then it might be the way to go.
>> For me, it's all about reporting. Can I interrogate the logs and get
>what I need easily.
>> My advice, get a loaner box, sales engineers should be more then
>willing to give you one for 30 days... minimum, sometimes 60 if you can
>justify a large purchase.
>> Lastly, Ask the company itself how it stacks up. Then confirm that
>with the competitors same stat sheet! They all claim to do it better
>then the rest. So it's more of how the device works for you!
>> Best Regards,
>> Leo A. Dregier III
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Klein, Jamy [mailto:Jamy.Klein at cshs.org]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:13 PM
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>> Subject: Re: [Dshield] Fortinet [Fortigate 5050]
>> I have not used them personally, but I know of them. My opinion is that you
>> should be careful with any product like that, that claims to do it all. How
>> do you know that they are good at IPS, A/V, Content Filtering, and
>> firewalling? They most likely are not better at IPS than a company that
>> makes all their profit or a large portion of their profit off of IPS. The
>> company that is primarily focused on IPS is probably investing most of
>> money into IPS research where a company like Fortinet has to split the
>> research dollars between all of the above listed areas.
>> Jamy
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Basiru Ndow [mailto:bndow at Ndowtech.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 8:42 AM
>> To: General DShield Discussion List
>> Subject: [Dshield] Fortinet [Fortigate 5050]
>> Anyone with experience using fortigate 5050 for network security =
>> solutions. Just join the company and we are thinking of using it.
>> Any advantages or disadvantages that you can share ?
>> Thanks
>> Bass
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